Listen to this exchange and then decide if you want your child or grandchild in a ‘government school’?


Unbelievable that this is considered a social studies classroom! I believe that something like this  is an exception and not the average. I know in the system where I taught this would not have happened. Teachers taught rather than indoctrinate and the vast majority were respectful, informed, and in control of their classrooms. Students nor teachers used vulgar language when discussing a subject and yelling wasn’t considered teaching.

If however, this occurs in even one classroom, that is one too many! How many teachers around the country do this sort of thing? Privatization should be a priority!

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About jlue

I am a grandmother of seven and I like to garden, read, study the Bible, and spend time with family. I am not very politically active, but very interested in who is elected to lead our country.
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9 Responses to Listen to this exchange and then decide if you want your child or grandchild in a ‘government school’?

  1. smijer says:

    I see advantages and disadvantages to many forms of private and public education. I am not sure which schemes of privatization would avoid scenes like this one, without doing away with classrooms for large blocs of the community in the first place.

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    • jlue says:

      Actually, the teacher could have and should have prevented this particular scene. You probably know all the ways she could have avoided this, but here are a few:

      She first went wrong with her so-called “fact of the day.” Think of all the actual ‘facts’ she, as the teacher, could have used that would have been instructive and helpful to the students. What she chose to write would have been appropriate if this had been a college or even a high school class on political discourse and students were asked to examine the statement in light of the political views of both candidates or asked to determine the value of looking at a candidate’s past in the current political climate. It could be used in a detecting bias discussion. Even then she would have needed to instruct the students that this was an opinion. She could have even had an instructive session on whether one incident of bullying suffices to label a person a ‘bully’.

      If she believed it is appropriate to teach her children that Romney is a bully, she could have told students that this is her opinion and why. Perhaps she would have persuaded some of them, but she chose it as the fact of the day.

      In an opinion vs fact discussion, anger is usually not appropriate. Actually in a classroom a teacher needs to control her own ‘feelings’ and teach children in an appropriate manner.

      ‘Privatization’ was really not the best way to describe what we need to do in public education. In a free economic system, those who want children taught appropriately need to encourage private groups in establishing quality schools and support those schools. People have a hard time doing this with the cost of government schools already built into our tax code.

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      • smijer says:

        Well there’s no doubt this teacher was a moron, and had no business in a classroom. You’re perfectly right about that.

        If we took public schools out of the tax code, then more people could afford to enroll in and support public schools, yes. And if those private schools were well funded, incidents like this could be kept to a minimum. But without a budget, the public schools would not be able to operate at all, so there would be a real challenge in figuring out how we can educate the populace. If we didn’t solve that problem and solve it quickly and well, then we would all suffer – not just the ones who fell through the cracks… An educated society has been the key to the economic success of the U.S. in the 20th & 21st century – we could not hope to sustain that success if there wasn’t found a way to educate the people after the public education system was shut down.

        I can think of a few experiments that are worth considering, but none that have any guarantees of success, or that I think most people would be willing to gamble on in a large scale project that simultaneously de-funds public education.

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  2. jlue says:

    Charter schools have been used by the states and some have worked very well. If public education is a state function rather than a federal, parents are a little closer to the people making the decisions. There was a time when this was the case. Some states did a better job than others and once the federal money started pouring in, politics became a driving force. I realize it is difficult to educate every child in a society and I agree that all children need an opportunity, but there is more and more evidence that government control of schools is not working well. I liked the voucher system.

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  3. smijer says:

    Charter schools have had very mixed results: some very good, others very bad.

    If federal funding of state school budgets and local school boards remove parents from the people making the decisions, it seems to me vouchers would completely remove parents from the decision makers, since private schools do not answer to any elected body such as a local school board. In theory people could shop for schools in a marketplace of competing corporations. In practice, education seems closer to a natural monopoly than a commodity that can be readily traded.

    I suppose we could choose whether Junior goes to Wal*Mart Middle School or Proctor & Gamble Junior High, but we’d never get a chance to vote on who gets to make the decisions at either one, unless we could afford to purchase a voting share in the company. It’s much easier for a parent to be elected to a school board – or at least to threaten to vote a member off of one.

    Furthermore there would be no guarantee that a Christian parent living in Detroit could find a decent school that didn’t teach Islam or a Jewish parent in Chattanooga could find one that didn’t teach Christianity. Or that any school taught the subjects for which teachers required higher salaries. That is unless the state or federal governments regulated trade in education with a hand just as heavy as they exert over the local public school boards now.

    That’s what I meant when I said that there are alternatives that we can imagine, but none that aren’t experimental and fraught with difficulties. I think Archie may have the right idea. There was a time when our culture glorified education the way it now glorifies reality tee-vee about trailer park trash. Maybe our problem isn’t the system, as much as it is our cultural norms.

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  4. jlue says:

    You are right that our decaying society is being reflected in the classroom. When the majority of Americans support high moral and ethical standards it is easier to find teachers with those values.The theory that big business interests will not only sell merchandise, but also want to sell educational services seems somewhat far-fetched to me and parents are going to choose schools that meet their standards. Many, if not most private schools are non-profit. I realize that it is a very big task. I am not sure what you mean by parents not involved if we have a voucher system?

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  5. smijer says:

    I explained in the paragraph that opened with that statement,and in the following paragraph.

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    • jlue says:

      So you are thinking that competing corporations will take over the private school industry. I don’t see this ever happening. They could, in fact, do that now if they were inclined as there is no law preventing the establishment of private schools by interested parties.

      Check this site:
      Sweden’s Voucher System Is A Model for America

      There is a an argument to be made that vouchers help the poor and force failing public schools to improve.

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      • smijer says:

        Well, it’s rare that right of center and left of center people can agree on much, but it seems that Matt Yglesias favors the Swedish model, and seems to think that Obama does also.

        I’m not sure – I do applaud the fact that they do not de-fund public schools when vouchers are used at charter schools, but it seems like that would run costs up a certain amount. I would like to see research into overall performance, and universality of access, before I endorsed a model of that sort.

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